| what the title says. Some people say a tsundere is just a bitch. Is it true? I havent seen a lot of bitches irl. Please enlighten me on this matters, as detailed as possible. |
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| no there are many light tsundere like Kagami Hiragii |
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| There is no difference whatsoever. Anyone who claims there is one is lying to you. |
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| Unless the Tsundere is from a " cute girls doing cute things " anime then there is no difference , anyone that says otherwise probably likes bitches |
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| There are too many types of Tsunderes, not all of them are bitches. The difference of a bitch with the Tsunderes the ones with awful behavior is that the bitches are usually slutty, while the Tsundere are for the most part sexually awkward. |
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| tsunderes are bitches if you dont agree you are a masochist |
tragedydesuJul 20, 2016 11:28 AM
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| you have to feel sorry for people with solely negative experience of tsundere(^) |
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Mathwizard said: what the title says. Some people say a tsundere is just a bitch. Is it true? I havent seen a lot of bitches irl. Please enlighten me on this matters, as detailed as possible. The word tsundere describes characters who hide their feelings for a certain person by being severly disrespectful towards them while the word bitch describes a female dog. Hope I could help you, OP. |
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| I don't see why would you compare both. A tsundere is basically just someone who tries but fails at hidding her emotions. Bitch is the total opposite. Poeple really don't know what they're talking about when it comes to take down a stereotype char. |
| There is not difference. Tsundere is a classic bitch. At least in the initial phase when she doesn't yet realise she actually likes MC. |
| Some tsunderes are bitches, that's true. But the appeal of the tsundere is that, deep down, they are just trying to cover their own feeling with a facade of, well, bitchiness. This isn't the case for all of them, but it's what makes the good ones good when done right. The ones that are just bitches for no good reason are the ones that annoy me |
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| Good tsundere: Non violent, not outright hostile towards the MC, only flustered during confrontational situations, otherwise seems to be pretty nice person. Eg: Aoyama, Kurisu, Tohsaka Rin, any male tsundere Bad tsundere: violent, outright hostile all the time for apparently no reason. Eg: asuka Langley, tsubaki, minami shimada. |
Gesu-Jul 20, 2016 1:02 PM
| Tsundere aren't technically bitches, they suffer from unique version of bipolar disorder, instead of mania and depression, they suddenly become aggressive without any apparent reason. :-P |
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| The difference is the tsun to dere ratio. If they're all tsun then they're no different from a bitch. |
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| Most tsunderes are massive bitches, but to be fair i don't have much experience, because i haven't watched much anime. |
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| Yes there is a difference. Bitches are dogs and tsuns are humans. Jokes aside there really isn't much difference maybe it's just that tsunderes might appear cute, whereas bitches appear annoying. |
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KingRequiem said: It's not that she has a yandere and tsundere side, she just jokes playing both tropes. Her main trope in any case is kuudere.Likeable tsundere -> Kurisu, Tohsaka Rin Total bitch -> Senjougahara See the difference ? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Edit: The fact that Hitagi also has kuudere and yandere sides doesn't change the issue. |
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| It is like anime and cartoons, they are the same thing but tsundere=japanese while bitch=western. |
zalJul 20, 2016 12:36 PM
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| The average Tsundere only clocks in somewhere around the middle of the bitch-o-meter. Unless we're talking about the really mean ones that physically or verbally abuse the character nonstop, those ones are way worse and you use another word that starts with C to describe those, but I don't like to use it. |
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KingRequiem said: She is not abusive, however. At least not after her character development.Illyricus said: It's not that she has a yandere and tsundere side, she just jokes playing both tropes. Her main trope in any case is kuudere. Fair enough. Still an abusive bitch though. |
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Here's a mathematical way I can express my opinion on this matter. Luv memes |
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kamisama751 said: All tsundere are bitches. Burn them, just burn them. -Stabbed- said: Bad tsundere: violent, outright hostile all the time for apparently no reason. Eg: asuka Langley, tsubaki, minami shimada. Well, hope you won't get killed by NGE fans. I eat Asukafags for breakfast.. MISATO MASTERRACE!!!!!!!! |
KingRequiem said: She behaved that way in Bake/start of Nise because she was recovering from her trauma, but, starting from the Second Season onwards, she becomes full Dere mode and behaves more sweeter and friendly, as Araragi's influence makes her recover from that trauma and take a friendlier side with everyone.Illyricus said: She is not abusive, however. At least not after her character development. Is that during/after Second Season ? She kinda took a backseat after Bake, and I haven't been further than Neko so far. Welp she was still pretty irritating in Nise, though less so than Bake. If you disliked her personality before, maybe you find the new Gahara-san more tolerable at least. |
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| I think if you're a bitch then you're purely tsuntsun. If you have a dere side too (which a tsundere should have, hence the name) then no |
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| A bitch will still express how they really feel. A tsundere will hide their true feelings |
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One of the few tsunderes that actually is good: |
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KingRequiem said: That's one of the strong points of the Monogatari Series, very few main characters stay stagnant and actually improves over the course of the series (in my humble opinion, of course).Illyricus said: She behaved that way in Bake/start of Nise because she was recovering from her trauma, but, starting from the Second Season onwards, she becomes full Dere mode and behaves more sweeter and friendly, as Araragi's influence makes her recover from that trauma and take a friendlier side with everyone. If you disliked her personality before, maybe you find the new Gahara-san more tolerable at least. Sounds good, I don't expect her to rise in the best girl ranking but an improvement is always nice. She is quite the atypical character though, I'll give her that. |
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YayaChibi said: Tsundere's are not bitches. They're misunderstood. Now repeat. Tsundere's are not misunderstood. They're bitches. So he just talked about Holo in a video about tsundere... Okay... |
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KingRequiem said: So, you like Arararararagi-san's bathroom, uhhh? Then you are going to love Tsukimonogatari ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)Illyricus said: That's one of the strong points of the Monogatari Series, very few main characters stay stagnant and actually improves over the course of the series (in my humble opinion, of course). I'm in it for toothbrushes and Kanbaru's glorious butt. Aaaaaaaaand Arararararagi-kun's bathroom. |
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KingRequiem said: If Araragi would be a Servant his class would be Pimper and his loli NP would put Gilgamesh's Ea to shame ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)Illyricus said: So, you like Arararararagi-san's bathroom, uhhh? Then you are going to love Tsukimonogatari ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) It's just a like a Reality Marble you know ? But instead of spawning swords he spawns lolis( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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Mathwizard said: what the title says. Some people say a tsundere is just a bitch. Is it true? I havent seen a lot of bitches irl. Please enlighten me on this matters, as detailed as possible. I never liked Tsundere characters. Guys that like Tsundere girls are prolly also into FemDom |
KingRequiem said: Would be one hell of a pimp battle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)Illyricus said: If Araragi would be a Servant his class would be Pimper and his loli NP would put Gilgamesh's Ea to shame ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Shinobu Marble Phantasm when ?? T_T Lolis won't work on Gil though, he has the bad tendency of stealing their hearts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) *Twisting in pain after that odious comment about my favorite loli* I didn't catched the references until I realized who you refered... |
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Illyricus said: Araragi will have one hell of a struggle to not get distracted by this pimpy crop top and the abs that come with it. Sasuga Gil and his fashion sense. Mongrels gonna hate.KingRequiem said: Would be one hell of a pimp battle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)Shinobu Marble Phantasm when ?? T_T Lolis won't work on Gil though, he has the bad tendency of stealing their hearts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) *Twisting in pain after that odious comment about my favorite loli* I didn't catched the references until I realized who you refered... Now all we need is a mapo tofu priest and Inferno Copu in the mix, with Ufotable to animate it all. |
KingRequiem said: Let's not forget Shinji "The Man" Matou. The guy has years of pimping purple-haired bitches onto his shoulders.Illyricus said: Araragi will have one hell of a struggle to not get distracted by this pimpy crop top and the abs that come with it. Sasuga Gil and his fashion sense. Mongrels gonna hate.Would be one hell of a pimp battle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I didn't catched the references until I realized who you refered... Now all we need is a mapo tofu priest and Inferno Copu in the mix, with Ufotable to animate it all. |
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KingRequiem said: YouniverSoul said: I've often went after tsundere girls IRL (or what is most similar), nothing gets me off more than piercing that armor ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)I never liked Tsundere characters. Guys that like Tsundere girls are prolly also into FemDom Trueee. That makes sense cuz its usually just a front haha. But some girls truely are just bitter bitches lmaoo |
| Being a Tsundere is...ik annoying sometimes but can be cute as well :) whereas being a bitch ..... not cool man :/ so therefore there is a difference :| |
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zombie_pegasus said: The difference is the tsun to dere ratio. If they're all tsun then they're no different from a bitch. Lol.. To be honest, this what comes in my mind when I finished OreImo S1... |
| Alright... wasn't prepared for a "Tsunderes are bitches / not bitches" debate. For me, it depends on whether you interpret their actions and reactions to be playful and friendly or legitimately cruel and hateful. It can be different for others, for instance I never ever saw Haruhi or Taiga as being bitches but would call Kirino one. Also, a character being a bitch doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. Bitches can be entertaining. As a side note, why aren't Yanderes ever brought up in these sorts of things? |
KillerTune12Jul 20, 2016 2:46 PM
Illyricus said: A sucker punch at the wormslut ? I love it. I didn't want to bring the Mighty Matou into the discussion because his place as King of Pimps is already established. Rider only had his way at the debate in Fate/Zero because Shinji was busy fulfilling his Counter Guardian role at age 4.KingRequiem said: Let's not forget Shinji "The Man" Matou. The guy has years of pimping purple-haired bitches onto his shoulders.Araragi will have one hell of a struggle to not get distracted by this pimpy crop top and the abs that come with it. Sasuga Gil and his fashion sense. Mongrels gonna hate. Now all we need is a mapo tofu priest and Inferno Copu in the mix, with Ufotable to animate it all. |
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